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The Joshua Lederberg Papers

Title:
Letter from Joshua Lederberg to Carolyn Kopp, Rockefeller University Archives pdf (125,700 Bytes) transcript of pdf
Letter from Joshua Lederberg to Carolyn Kopp, Rockefeller University Archives
Description:
Item is handwritten. Item is a photocopy.
Number of Image Pages:
1 (125,700 Bytes)
Date:
1982-06-11 (June 11, 1982)
Creator:
Lederberg, Joshua
Recipient:
Kopp, Carolyn
Rockefeller University Archives
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This item is in the public domain. It may be used without permission.
Relation:
Lederberg Grouping: Correspondence E
Box Number: 31
Folder Number: 154
Unique Identifier:
BBADHH
Accession Number:
5
Document Type:
Letters (correspondence)
Language:
English
Format:
application/pdf
image/tif
Physical Condition:
Good
Series: Correspondence, 1935-2002
SubSeries: 1978-1984
Folder: Delbruck, Max
Transcript:
Jun 11 1982
[BEGIN PUBLISHED DOCUMENT]
physicist, despite his presence at a physicists' convention; yet he knew some physics, was a friend of Enrico Fermi, and had begun phage research of his own while still in Italy. After several hours' conversation, Luria wrote later, they had dinner with Wolfgang Pauli and another European physicist "during which the talk was mostly in German, mostly about theoretical physics, mostly above my head." Afterward, "Delbruck and I adjourned to New York for a 48-hour bout of experimentation in my laboratory at the College of Physicians and Surgeons" of Columbia University. "It was not an experiment to do," Luria said in the fall of 1973. "It was just to see because, what happened is that Max wanted to work with a particular phage that attacks staphylococcus, a phage named Krueger phage after the man that first wrote it up, and Max had been told by Krueger that this phage should not be assayed by plaques, the way one does all the assays, but should be assayed by a very complicated method, which partly turned out later to be the cause why Krueger got very crazy results, results that he interpreted in a very crazy way. And I had gotten the same phage from Krueger, and I was assaying it all the time in the usual way like every other, and I told that to Max, and he said, "I want to see," so I said, "Fine. If you come up on Monday I'll have plates and everything ready and we'll play around." And he did, and we did."
The two men planned a series of experiments to do together and debated where to do them, whether at Vanderbilt in Nashville or in New York. Three weeks later, Delbruck wrote to Luria that he had been invited to attend the next annual symposium at Cold Spring Harbor and to spend the rest of the summer there; could they work together there? "If that could be arranged satisfactorily at C.S.H., I might overcome my antipathy to the place." In fact, Delbruck got married that summer, and spent the first weeks of his marriage at Cold Spring Harbor. At that symposium, Luria wrote much later, "The whole idea of the nature of the gene- I do not know if it was the first time; it was the first time in my experience-was dealt with in an environment in which geneticists and people interested in molecular structure were interacting freely." Delbruck has returned there to work and teach many summers since.
At the end of January 1943, at Delbruck's invitation, a microbiologist named Alfred Hershey visited Nashville for a few days; he had written papers about phage that caught Luria's and Delbruck's attention. In a letter to Luria, along with the draft of a new theoretical idea, Delbruck gave his first impressions of Hershey: "Drinks whiskey but not tea. Simple and to the point. Likes living in a sailboat for three months, likes independence." The three men were the nucleus of the phage group. Delbruck recently characterized this beginning as two enemy aliens and "another misfit in society." The three shared the Nobel Prize for physiology and medicine in 1969, seven years later than Watson, Crick, and Wilkins.
[END PUBLISHED DOCUMENT]
[BEGIN LEDERBERG'S HANDWRITTEN ANNOTATION]
on Delbruck -- which will surely interest you.
But its unsatisfactory "pop history" on many accounts. Two leaps to the rye on p.353
1) Does AD Hershey count himself part of the "phage group"?
(In '46 (CSH) Delbruck rather resisted Hershey's virus recombinations in favor of some "modifications form without".)
2. Exactly when and how did Luria and Delbruck meet?
Judson give a precise account. Is there any reason to doubt it?
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