In this response to Fry, Gregg discusses Yale's psychiatry curriculum, and gives a ringing criticism of curriculum reform
at medical schools.
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1946-03-01 (March 1, 1946)
Fry, Clement C.
Original Repository: Rockefeller Archive Center. Rockefeller Foundation Archives
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Director of Medical Sciences, 1930-1945
March 1, 1946
Dear Dr. Fry:
I have your letter of February fifteenth and have read the copy of your letter to Dean DeVane. I think you have done a good
job of exposition and explanation. Your letter is clear and easy to understand.
The major comment on the task that you had before you that I think I would have made is that our colleges we failing, pretty
uniformly in the formulation of their jobs and their opportunities, mostly because they are paying so little attention to
the personalities, temperaments, and especially the motivations of students. The colleges are wasting a tremendous amount
of time haggling over the curriculum,
its so-called balance, its so-called emphasis, and its ideal components. Such a preoccupation is reasonable enough, as it
represents intelligent attention to one half of the problem of education, but it is pathetically inadequate unless the other
half gets a great deal more attention than it has had in the past. Perhaps I can say this in another way by telling you that
Conant told me that the only valid and really helpful criticism that had come of the Harvard publication entitled "Education
For a Democratic Society," or a "Free Society," or some such title - you have seen the book - came from psychologists
who pointed out that that careful treatise on education had the grave defect of forgetting all about the variety of those
who are to be educated and especially their motives and motivations. I have read my share of the current literature on education
and will continue to do so, but I almost never read anything that meets my critical feeling that the real and pressing problems
of education come to the surface in the office of the dean of students, or in the college doctor's office, or, obviously,
in the office of the college psychiatrist. Curriculum structure and flavor almost never comes to the surface in those places
as the major issue, but psychological and psychiatric considerations, and perhaps sometimes sociological, are there all the
time. I would like to make it very clear, furthermore, that I don't believe the problems are limited to the students.
They are just as cogent and as important and as picturesque when one thinks of characters and motivation and behavior of the
That is the major comment I would make on your letter.
There, are two or three minor ones. On the first page, you say that the teaching of psychiatry and specialized training in
that field is not now principally within the province of the universities. I would have phrased that to imply that the universities
were losing an opportunity and that they had better look sharp, or it will be gone completely.
On page two, you might have mentioned the fact that this year Wallace Donham is giving a course to Harvard undergraduates
on human relations. Incidentally, I think that is enough of a compliment to Yale, as it is a suggestion that Yale may have
retrograded somewhat from an earlier recognition of the importance of psychology and psychiatry in education.
On page four, you gave me an interesting bit of information in saying that more than one third of law suits are divorce cases
which, as you any, usually involve the disposition of children, and that lawyers are not better prepared to deal with human
affairs although it is pretty obvious that divorce belongs to the category of human affairs. I can give you an interesting
evidence of the legal view, although I think it is perhaps a bit unfair to the profession as a whole. The Marriage Counsel
Bureau in Philadelphia ran into a snag in their work because either the Philadelphia or the Pennsylvania Bar delivered itself
of the solemn opinion that since marriage is a contract, marriage counseling should be done exclusively by lawyers. There
is logic grinding its relentless way with all the sensibility md discrimination that we associate with a sausage machine.
Best regards, and thanks for letting me see your letter.